false christ Archives - Examining the World Mission Society Church of God An in depth look at the World Mission Society Church of God Wed, 05 Jun 2013 05:47:45 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2020/03/cropped-Examining-updated-favicon-32x32.png false christ Archives - Examining the World Mission Society Church of God 32 32 Jesus said ask for anything in My name https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/jesus-said-ask-for-anything-in-my-name/ Wed, 05 Jun 2013 05:47:45 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/jesus-said-ask-for-anything-in-my-name/ John 16:23-24 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

There are two reasons why I’m bringing this up:

1) Jesus told his disciples while he was living to pray in His name. I found some curious food for thought concerning WMSCOG claim on praying in Ash’s name. He DIED in Feb 1985. According to what a pastor told us members at a countermeasure meeting, Mr Kim told everyone to pray in Ash’s name June 2, 1985 the date for General Assembly that year. The General Assembly allegedly is held at the beginning of the year according to the “Sacred Calendar”. So even though Ash should have been the savior for this age after he was baptized in 1948 (according to the sermon Savior of Each Age) NO ONE prayed in his name until 4 months after he died?! Seems contradictory to what they teach. If our prayers were to be granted from the time he was declared the savior, people should have been praying his name sooner than 4 months after he died. And why isn’t that recorded anywhere? Again we are relying on the claimed testimony of Mr Kim and maybe Zhang. While Jesus told his disciples to pray in his name prior to the crucifixion, then if Ash knew when he was going to die it should have been announced sooner than 4 months after his death.

2) Clearly most Christians understand and believe in the trinity-3 roles but one God. Jesus said “my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name”. To my knowledge no where written in the bible does it say Father Jesus. That’s not my issue. Why does WMSCOG call Ash as father Ash? Or why not Holy Spirit Ash? If he is the second coming Jesus and does things like 1st Jesus so we will know it is he, shouldn’t he just be called Ash and not father Ash? I mean it just seems weird if 2CC is patterned after 1st Jesus.

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7 Churches-Revelation chapters 2 and 3 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/7-churches-revelation-chapters-2-and-3/ Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:28:23 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/7-churches-revelation-chapters-2-and-3/ Read about the letters to each of these churches:

1. Ephesus (which means “desirable”)
 


2. Smyrna (which means “sweet smelling,” like myrrh)


3. Pergamos (which means “elevation” or “exalted”)
 


4. Thyatira (which means “sacrifice of contrition” or “sweet savor of labor”)


5. Sardis (which means “renewal”)


6. Philadelphia (which means “brotherly love”)


7. Laodicea (which means “judgment” or “judging the people”)

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception-Revelation_letter_seven-churches

Here’s a link that I found on the Internet that closest matches the names WMSCOG teaches in their sermon

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John 6:53-57 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/john-653-57/ Tue, 28 May 2013 01:02:43 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/john-653-57/ 53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

I just had a thought about these verses because I’m beginning to have much clarity since being freed from the WMSCOG. They use these verses to justify you will not be “saved” if you don’t keep Passover. It says unless you eat the flesh of the “Son of Man” and drink “his” blood you have no life in you. Well the WMSCOG teaches that Zhang is the reality of the Passover but reading these verses how can that be? She is not the Son of Man nor is she a he. They will try to refute my thought by saying she and Ash are one but according to this verse she clearly can to be the reality of Passover.

It would have been better had they said Ash was the reality of the Passover because it would have been more believable in the long run. So Jesus said the living Father sent him…Ash nor Zhang have made this statement/claim. So then can either of them truly be the reality of the Passover?

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Wow!!! I'm Impressed!!! Thank You https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/wow-im-impressed-thank-you/ Mon, 27 May 2013 04:56:23 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/wow-im-impressed-thank-you/ Wow I’m impressed finally an answer. F.Y.I >>>>>> FTOS admits Chuseok is pagan on this Thread on page 5 while having a conversation with Renita

 

The True WMSCOG" on Missionary Ron Ramos Explains Why He Left the WMSCOG After 12 Year

Fromtheotherside

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o okay! yes actually Chuseok is pagan. You are right. But we do not keep chusoek is my point. My point is we go home and just be with our family, because that's the only time we can spend with our family together in one roof. Aunts uncles, cousins Gparents.

 

 

And he said on this thread Ahnshahnhong 37 Years or 21 Years That weddings, Funerals, and baby showers are allowed

 

fromtheotherside

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So this is your point. Okay. Yes your pastor said stay away from this and that, but most likely he heard something from a brother who told him, Hey pastor baby showers are pagan because of … this and that… and then the pastor said reallY? And then now he says don't go. But I don't know if you are mistaken and some group leader told you not to go. But here in korea we go. We go to weddings, we go to funerals and baby showers. As long as its not in a Babylon building. Also we do well not to worship idols. So you have the wrong Idea.

 

 

I have to call my friend and let him know because he believes he can’t attend weddings or funerals, or any other celebration. Thank you FTOS for clearing this up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"The True WMSCOG" on Missionary Ron Ramos Explains Why He Left the WMSCOG After 12 Years https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/the-true-wmscog-on-missionary-ron-ramos-explains-why-he-left-the-wmscog-after-12-years/ Thu, 23 May 2013 20:46:06 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/the-true-wmscog-on-missionary-ron-ramos-explains-why-he-left-the-wmscog-after-12-years/ This comment was originally left on Missionary Ron Ramos Explains Why He Left the WMSCOG After 12 Years – A Former Member's Story

The True WMSCOG writes:

http://www.thetruewmscog.com/hassan-and-the-wmscog/

 

Come see the discrepancies in Hassan's and Ron's statements.

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"The True WMSCOG" on Ahnsanghong Never Claimed to be God https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/the-true-wmscog-on-ahnsanghong-never-claimed-to-be-god/ Thu, 23 May 2013 20:42:36 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/the-true-wmscog-on-ahnsanghong-never-claimed-to-be-god/ This comment was originally posted on Ahnsanghong Never Claimed to be God

The True WMSCOG says:

http://www.thetruewmscog.com/ahnsahnghong-never-claimed-to-be-god/

 

Come and find the answer to this erroneous accusation!!

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Ahnshahnhong 37 Years or 21 Years? https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/ahnshahnhong-37-years-or-21-years/ Sun, 12 Jun 2011 09:15:55 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/ahnshahnhong-37-years-or-21-years/ As wmscog says Ahnshahnhong preached for 37 years from 1948 when he was baptized in SDA(Seventh day adventist) till his death in 1985 +3 years of Jesus Christ’s preaching = 40 years reign of King David (the reason for his qualification of 2nd coming/ the root of david). I want to ask wmscog –

Q1- why then he left SDA and opened a new church?

Q1a-Was SDA doctrine wrong? If yes :Then why he got baptized in a wrong doctrine? Didn’t he know it already being 2nd christ? (Possible Answer)-May be he had no other way because no “true” church existed.

Q1b-So why he took 16 years to open a new church? (Possible Answer)-Maybe because he had to do hard work (Stone carrying as shown in wmscog videos) for a living during the day and had little time in the night to write his books (why din’t Jesus write any book?).

Q1c-So why did God put so much burden on his shoulders? (Not fair. 1st coming christ had only 1 assignment. Poor 2nd coming.)

Q2- Was SDA right? Then why open a new doctrine?

Q3-As Ahnshahnhong started a new church in 1964 and stared preaching new ways of Gospel, then he only scored 1964 to 1985 =21 years. So he comes short 16 years to be eligible for Christship. Oooops!! (Christship is a new word I discovered due to the need on the “new age”). (Possible Solution)-May be they can add sweet 16 years of ‘mother’ who must not be a mother at that age i guess and must be beautiful to qualify to be the bride of the Lamb/Ahnshahnhong/….(somebody please write here the name of Mother’s fist husband)!!

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