Let’s start with David’s throne.
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will REIGN ON DAVID’S THRONE
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.
Wmscog teaches that the words “reign on David’s throne” means to be baptized at 30 and preach for 40 years, because David was anointed at 30 and reigned 40 years. (2 Sa 5:3-4)
Nonsense. Let’s see proof that “reigning on David’s throne” DOES NOT MEAN to be baptized at 30 and preach 40 years.
Jeremiah 17:24-26
“then KINGS who SIT ON DAVID’S THRONE will come through the gates of this city with their officials. They and their officials will come riding in chariots and on horses, accompanied by the men of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, and this city will be inhabited forever.”
Here we see it says kingS (plural) sit on David’s throne. This speaks about the Israelites obeying God and they will live happily, giving thanks to God. The meaning of reigning on David’s throne means to be a DESCENDANT of David and reign as a king. That’s why it says kingS (plural) sit on David’s throne. If reigning upon David’s throne meant to be anointed at 30 and reign 40 years, than all the kings who have reigned on David’s throne have to be anointed at 30 but clearly Solomon was not anointed at 30. It says Solomon reigns on David’s throne (1king 2:12) and it says he was only a little child when he became king, not 30. (1kings 3:7)
Than clearly reigning on David’s throne doesn’t mean to be anointed at 30. Let’s see more.
Jeremiah 33:20-22
20 “This is what the Lord says: ‘If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, 21 then my covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me—can be broken and DAVID will no longer have a DESCENDANT TO REIGN ON HIS THRONE. 22 I will make the DESCENDANTS of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars in the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore.’”
Here it literally says David’s descendant and descendantS (plural) “REIGN” on his throne. So the word REIGN clearly means to sit on his throne, meaning the throne of Israel. As it is written:
1 kings 1:34-36
34 There have Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anoint him king over Israel. Blow the trumpet and shout, ‘Long live King Solomon!’ 35 Then you are to go up with him, and he is to come and “SIT” ON MY THRONE AND “REIGN” in my place. I have appointed him RULER OVER ISRAEL and Judah.”
There is no need for an explanation here. To REIGN and SIT on David’s throne mean the same thing. And David continues to say that to this means to be RULER OVER ISRAEL.
This verse alone shows to reign, or sit, on David’s throne is to be the ruler of Israel. Also it means to come from David’s blood line, which Jesus did (Matt 1:6-17).
In Jeremiah 17:25 we can see many kings (plural) have reigned, or sat, on David’s throne and in Jeremiah 33:21-22 David’s descendants(plural) can REIGN on his throne. Finally we see in 1 kings 1:34-36 that Solomon himself sat and REIGNED on DAVID’S THRONE and in his place and that simply means he’s the RULER OF ISRAEL.
By this we can see “REIGNING ON DAVIDS THRONE” does not mean to be anointed at 30 and reign 40 years. Solomon REIGNS on David’s throne (1 kings 1:35) and he was not anointed at 30, he was a little child ( 1kings 3:7).
Jesus is a descendant of David (Matt 1:6-17) and he is the spiritual king of Israel (Jn 18:33-38) Jesus fits this prophecy perfectly. He has truly reigned on David’s throne.
David does represent Jesus. (Acts 13:33-36) but does Jesus being baptized at 30 have to do with king David? No. Jesus being baptized at 30 isn’t a fulfillment of anything! Actually Jesus was 30 in 27 A.D.
Now 27 A.D. Is the fulfillment of Daniel 9:25 “the Anointed One coming”.
That prophecy can be simply explained.
Daniel 9:25
25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
A seven means a week, even in the bible there is a footnote saying this. No it says there will be 7 and 62 sevens (weeks) from the restoration of the temple to the coming of the Anointed One. So 7+62 is 69. 69 weeks is 483 days. Remember Ez 4:6 and Nu 14:34, a day represents a year. So 69 weeks meaning 483 days prophetically means 483 years. The temple was restored in 457 B.C. So from 457 B.C. + 483 years gives you the year 27 A.D. (No year 0 I’m your calculation so add one). So 27 A.D. Is when the Anointed One comes… That’s the year Jesus was baptized to fulfill that prophecy. He was anointed at baptism (luke 4:18) to be the Anointed One for the prophecy of Daniel 9. Him being 30 that year has nothing to do with it, he just happened to be 30. Him being 30 has no prophetical meaning. The year 27 A. D. Is the prophetical point, not age 30. If it was that important Matthew Mark and John would have put it in their Gospels. Only luke included it because Luke was very precise on his Gospel and detailed (luke 1:3) after all, he was a doctor (col 4:14).
MAIN POINT !!!!!
In Jeremiah 17:25 we can see many kings (plural) have reigned, or sat, on David’s throne and in Jeremiah 33:21-22 David’s descendants(plural) can REIGN on his throne. Finally we see in 1 kings 1:34-36 that Solomon himself sat and REIGNED on DAVID’S THRONE and it means he’s the RULER OF ISRAEL. Not being anointed at 30 and reigning 40 years. Isaiah 9:6 simply shows Jesus will be from David’s blood line (Matt 1:6-17) and he spiritual king of Israel (Jn 18:33-38)
]]>When you first encounter WMSCOG they are so sweet. They God bless you and want to hug you. Once they feel you are of spiritual maturity WATCH OUT!
Matt 23:13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.”
By worshipping god the mother, a female god who the church considers the queen of heaven, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. God says to worship the queen of heaven is detestable to Him (Jeremiah 44:4 ‘Do not do this detestable thing that I hate’)
By following the doctrine of worshipping false gods, Ahnsahnghong and Zhang, the WMSCOG is shutting the kingdom of heaven in its members faces. They will not enter heaven, nor will its followers (unless the followers get out and repent to the True Most High God).
Dear current members of the WMSCOG, please come out of this wicked church. Matt 10:28 “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”
]]>(NIV) "Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come."
Now in this version (NIV) it seems to be saying that, there is one who is coming. (The WMSCOG interpretation – The one to come in this verse, has yet to come.) Implying it is not about Jesus Christ. This version makes it seem like the one coming in the pattern of Adam has yet to come. However, It only seems that way, if we ignore the context. If we actually read the context (Romans 5:5-21) Paul explains that Jesus Christ was the one who was to come
Now let's read this in the (KJV)
"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
It is much clearer in this version, because it seems to say that He once was the one to come, however, He already came. Which goes along with how Paul in the context, was actually explaining about Jesus Christ and not about a 2nd coming christ. Taking Rom. 5:14 out of context in the KJV doesn't seem to mean that the "one to come" is coming like in the NIV, but that he already came. We can see here that out of context, the KJV is clearer. However, we shouldn't be taking verses out of context anyway. Wonder why WMSCOG like the NIV better? It's because it's easier to misinterpret. Which is exactly what they did with this verse. This comes to show, that we should read the whole context before coming to conclusions regardless of bible version.
It is also important to note, what Ahnsahnghong himself said about this verse. Here's what he said exactly –
Here are his exact words from the book "The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Gospel" Ch. 6 "The Man of the Earth and the Man from Heaven" Pg. 33
"The bible says that Adam, the progenitor of the human race, is a pattern of the one to come (Rom. 5:14). Actually, however, he became the oppisite of Jesus who came later. In other words, through one man, Adam many came to die and through one man, Jesus, many came to live (Rom. 5:12-21)"
So Ahnsahnghong explained that Jesus was the one to come in Rom. 5:14. So Ahn actually read the context in this, then explained. Unlike the WMSCOG who instead take the verse out of context then insist that this verse is concerning the 2nd coming christ. But wait, Ahn basically debunked the WMSCOG's interpretation of Romans 5:14. So not only did the WMSCOG misinterpret the verse because they took it out of context, but also they explained it differently then thier own claimed god. In conclusion, "the one to come" is actually Jesus, and the WMSCOG claim that the one to come in Rom. 5:14 is Ahn. Yet Ahn explains the verse is about Jesus who already came. Um yea, yet another contradiction to add to the list.
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2. Smyrna (which means “sweet smelling,” like myrrh)
3. Pergamos (which means “elevation” or “exalted”)
4. Thyatira (which means “sacrifice of contrition” or “sweet savor of labor”)
5. Sardis (which means “renewal”)
6. Philadelphia (which means “brotherly love”)
7. Laodicea (which means “judgment” or “judging the people”)
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception-Revelation_letter_seven-churches
Here’s a link that I found on the Internet that closest matches the names WMSCOG teaches in their sermon
]]>7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
So this is one of the verses from About Melchizedek. Allegedly Ahn fits the criteria for these three items:
1) Without father or mother
2) without genealogy
3) without beginning of days or end of life
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The True WMSCOG" on Missionary Ron Ramos Explains Why He Left the WMSCOG After 12 Year
Fromtheotherside
online
o okay! yes actually Chuseok is pagan. You are right. But we do not keep chusoek is my point. My point is we go home and just be with our family, because that's the only time we can spend with our family together in one roof. Aunts uncles, cousins Gparents.
And he said on this thread Ahnshahnhong 37 Years or 21 Years That weddings, Funerals, and baby showers are allowed
fromtheotherside
offline
So this is your point. Okay. Yes your pastor said stay away from this and that, but most likely he heard something from a brother who told him, Hey pastor baby showers are pagan because of … this and that… and then the pastor said reallY? And then now he says don't go. But I don't know if you are mistaken and some group leader told you not to go. But here in korea we go. We go to weddings, we go to funerals and baby showers. As long as its not in a Babylon building. Also we do well not to worship idols. So you have the wrong Idea.
I have to call my friend and let him know because he believes he can’t attend weddings or funerals, or any other celebration. Thank you FTOS for clearing this up.
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The reason I say the real question is " Did He bring back the Passover?" is because the Passover is the true sign to recognize God in Spirit and God in the Flesh. All through out the Old testament and the New Testament. So if someone restored the Passover, correctly, according to the Bible's regulation, before Christ Ahnsahnghong, then they would be the christ.
I will make one thing very clear. Herbert Armstrong established the World Wide Church of God in the Early 20th century. That church claims they keep the Passover. If their Passover is correct, then Herbert Armstrong was the Christ. However, there are alot of inconsistencies w/prophecy from that church. First of all, they believe in sunset theory. According to the Sunset Set Doctrine, the Passover cant be kept because, the appointed time of the Passover is 1st month 14th day at twilight (when the sun goes down Deut 16:5)so since they believe that the day begins at sunset, to them, when the sun goes down is no longer 1st month 14th day at twilight, it becomes 1st month 15th day.
2nd thing is Herbert Armstrong didn't come from a country that is EAST of Patmos Island. According to Revelation 1:9, Apostle John was on Patmos Island when he wrote revelation. And when he saw Christ coming w/the Seal of God, he saw him coming from the East.(Revelation 7:1-3) So he saw Christ coming from a country that is east of Patmos Island. So the fact that Herbert Armstrong didnt come from the east, but from America, which is west, shows he is not the christ. And if he isnt the christ, that means the Passover he taught was wrong. It is the same with all these churches that claim they are the true church. If Jehovahs Witnesses are the true church then Charles Russell is the Christ. Follow him. If SDA is the true church, then Ellen G. White is the christ. Follow her.. etc.
Nobody can prove that Christ Ahnsahnghong didn't do what the Bible teaches "ONLY GOD CAN DO" there for he is the Christ.
I only ask one thing. Please come w/Biblical or tangable proof. And stick to the topic. You guys are very angry, its not even comical, it's sad. Are you trying to pick and point at WMSCOG or are you trying to prove Christ Ahnsahnghong isnt the 2nd coming Christ? This will end all discussion. someone PLEASE prove that Christ Ahnsahnghong didn't restore THE PASSOVER, CORRECTLY, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE'S REGULATION. If you prove that, then you prove WMSCOG is a false church following a false Christ. End of story.
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The True WMSCOG says:
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Come and find the answer to this erroneous accusation!!
Interestingly, the exact month is very difficult to find anywhere- and is suspiciously not even mentioned on the official english.watv.org website! They list only the year of things such as Ahn’s birth, baptism, death etc but not the month (the month of everything else far more trivial, such as a new church being established in a random place has the month, why not Ahn’s baptism!)
Now, this is an important piece of information because if it really does say on the ncpcog website Ahn was baptised Dec. 16, 1948 and died Feb. 25, 1985, then this leaves a ministry of 36 years, 2 months, 9 days. Not 37 years!
To quote from the website I sourced this from “We know they mean the Gregorian Dec. 16, and not the lunar 12th month, 16th day, because that would be January 26 [for his baptism]. Jan. 26, 1948 would be too early because Israel did not declare independence until May 14, 1948.”
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http://www.ncpcog.co.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=24&wr_id=3&page=2
I just could not remain a member of an organization that lied to me about whom they believe to be "god".
Here is a link to the rest of the pictures so that you can see them all for yourselves.
http://www.ncpcog.co.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=24&page=2&page=1
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