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Wow, I just have a question for FTOS, or ANGELWING, or JIM, do you guys think this Deacon Mike is also lying like RON & DIANE.( that's what FTOS says that Ron & Diane are liars) Too many people saying similar things. Read on…..
victor February 15, 2013 2:15 AM
I actually wanted to cry watching this… Not because everything that Ron said happened to me, but because I know Ron and can see how much pain he is in. I Sat with him. I studied with him. I was a member of this church for about 10 months between 2010 and 2011 and was one of about 15 people in a group led by Ron or Missionary Ron as we called him. He was always so calm and gentle and soft spoken. Just like he is in the video… I always said I would remain there till things stopped adding up or my questions couldn’t be answered and it eventually got to that point. Indeed, Ron was one of the few who actually gave me the “later, we will study about that” response on one or two occassions to my questions. Or when i would ask why certain things were not told to me up front, they would use the example of someone who has been blind and taken outside the minute their site was restored; how bright the sun would be and how it will affect them instantly. For me, the major defining moment was when i confided in a deacon about the life struggles i had endured and how I was practically homeless at the time but was yet so thankful that i knew God and had the church… I told him this during a study session as a way of showing my Faith and how devoted I was. Less than 5 mins after i left, he had gone over to the Pastor and told him everything i said in confidence, who in turn called the “brother” that recruited me (my closest friend at the time) to confirm everything and ask that he (my friend) not bring me back to the church. Of course, he didn’t tell me himself (just like Ron said)… My friend was heart broken and fought for me to stay by having to convince the pastor that i was a “good brother”. Obviously, he was never supposed to tell me all of this but he did when i saw him about an hour later and he pleaded with me not to leave. But for me, something was broken. I wondered if how i could stay somewhere that deep down i knew i wasn’t wanted. I wondered if it was because of my social status at the time and what i couldn’t give financially. I stayed for a few months and even the deacon that had betrayed me came back to beg for my forgivness and take responsibility (with none going to the pastor). I soon started noticing other things including the fact that as far as i could see, only Koreans were Pastors. When i asked a couple of “brothers”, they gave me responses like “why does it matter” or “the church started in Korea”…. Answers that made no sense to me. Anyway, i was never just a 100% comfortable there. I would preach to Jehovah’s witnesses and prove their teachings wrong, but was not 100% sure of mine and eventually just left. Thank you Ron, wherever you are
mike February 23, 2013 6:05 AM
hey victor, i was the deacon who you shared that info with about being homeless. I remember that day vividly and it hurts me still till this day because your were open enough with me to share something very private as we shared a moment. I just want to say sorry again and that my actions were really an extension of the church’s influence since we were repeatedly warned about homeless people having wrong intentions in the church. i saw your sincerity but at the time i was merely a drone solider trying to be faithful to a cause i felt strongly about. None the less i too am out of the church and trying to move on, I hope your writing is going well and that we can continue to share these things to began our healing process. God bless Victor.
T.H. February 25, 2013 3:07 PM
Mike, what finally brought you out of this group? Was it something that was said, something that was done, or a combination of the two? Please share your story with us.
it was a combination of experiences, but what culminated everything was there excuse of why Ahn had to write the book about there being no mother. They said a women sneaked a peaked into AHn’s bag and stole the most important truth of our church from God. That was my last straw, i couldn’t believe almighty God who foresaw the scheme of Satan and Died on the Cross intentionally to save me couldn’t foresee this women sneaking into his bag. And when i asked about it they said “well father was made perfectly human”. I guess saying that since he was in the flesh and couldn’t see it coming. Which is ridiculous because even though Jesus was limited in the flesh he was still all knowing and all Seeing. Also they had no biblical explanation for it either, It wasnt even a prophecy this women basically tricked God almighty and stole his truth. This brought my attention immediately to the first chapter of what we call ” The green book” (Mystery of God and the Spring of water of life) Ahn explains that he locked up the truth and appointed one man to reveal it just like King Nebuchadnezzar forgot his dream and GOd only revealed it to Daniel. We teach that Ahn Came as King David to unsealing the 7 thunders which ultimate through a lot of studies is God the Mother. We also said that if God sealed something God is the only one who can unseal it, So basically they would have me to believe to God almighty set up the GINORMOUS!!! prophecy and made a plan only to have a women ruin it? and its not even a prophecy that she would? I just couldn’t go for that, it was apparent that they hid this knowledge intentionally because it is problem and whats worst they had no biblical explanation for it. Cause several months ago when i was in the Church i would’ve believe that. If they tried to explain something biblical now it would be a year too late in my opinion. Plus I had been in the church for over 7 years and i knew about 2012 and was told and preached to about it. yet the church lied and denies that they ever taught that. Also IN 2006 the Church said 144,000 were already Gathered, this is contradicting because they are now saying 2012 is completion of the temple meaning 144,000 are Gathered. That didnt makes since as well and when asked i could get no answers on that. There are many other reason but what i know 4 sure is the church has definitely spinned stories and told lies. And i couldnt be apart of it anymore. for Years I rationalized things in the church myself to make it make since, now it is the churchs time to give proper answers. They have been failing to do so so far. ( this is in response to T.H.)
I didn't know there was such a "race" as Korean until I went to Zion.
Technically race doesn't exist scientifically at all so we can call whatever we want a race
That's why I put it in quotes a-hole.
LMAO! I know I shouldn't laugh, but you crack me up Renita! I'm sorry Simon!
Yea, that comment kind of made me upset. I knew someone would say something which is why I put it in quotation marks. But know-it-all Simon just couldn't resist showing his burro.
I don't have a donkey o.o
I have to go there's way to much romantic tension in the forum this evening! I have work to do!
romantic tension? say what!?
Lol. Better here than at a pub. 🙂
LOL Sarah you are so right better here than a pub!
I'm sorry simon, did you say something? no disrespect
ok i have to concentrate i have a very important evening planned
Lol… WOW! And everyone has a burro. Some are big and round. Some are so flat you can't tell where the legs end and the lower back begins.
huh?
Yes, Harry. :).
wow I didn't see the colon and saw a one eyed frown I got problems
Too funny. It was an over type.
Heavy stuff. It's sad, it's happy and most of all it's all real. Welcome home folks. Pray for them which are still in, all of them.
Yep.
Kim wrote:
More people speaking out, the S*%& has hit the fan, and now the smell is traveling.
tears of a sinner with regret!
I gave 12 years of my life as a member, my kids were raised in the Church.
I’m angry, sad, hurt, mad, i feel like I deceived my kids by misleading all of them. I wanted to do what was right as a citizen and a child of god. now who is the creator? An be a good example. Instead Ive lost 12 good years and now I have nothing to show. I gave my time, money, sacrifice, jobs.
So what do I do now where do I turn now? I need to know more; is there a law suite going on? I heard about a movement this is my life! my kids life. when I don’t wanna say father n mother I still say it. I told my oldest son yesterday this truth and he was heart broken. I find myself crying feeling embarrass, this is messing with me mentally and emotionally. Do you have a therapist for me? 12 years I cant talk to no one cause I feel like a straight fool. I believed in Elohim. A false god idolatry
Thank Diane and Ron I love you….
healingfromthiscult March 17, 2013 10:04 PM
Wow watching this video seriously helps, wasn’t easy leaving a place like wmscog knowing that i wasted some years of my life. i want to go back to college and trying not to let this place discourage. i feel so bad knowing that there are people i care for deeply that have wasted/waste their lives and 10% of their income every sabbath believing in lies and drowning in guilt and fear because of this place… when will they wake up and realize the lies? what do i do when i see cult members that preached to me preach to my friends on face book? still a little paranoid and don’t want anything to do with this cult that takes down all of your information after baptism. and that threatens peoples lives in secret. last conversation i had with a member, i was close with the member and they told me in my own bedroom that if they where able to murder their family members and get away with it that they gladly would…… that week i googled the words brainwash and slowly started to wake up, i left “Zion” on my own and WASN’T KICKED OUT. i was slandered and lied about in the church after showing a few members the meaning of a cult and brainwash thank goodness they woke up around the time i did. it wasn’t easy leaving, still in shock and it’s been some time.
And of course this member that said this about their family was receiving a lot of “persecution” from their family and friends which made them feel like doing something that chaotic . Because of this “persecution” this member was receiving it also made this member feel closer to the “church” . my advise is if you have any family or friends in this please don’t argue against them about this “church” show them that you love them regardless and stick by them till they wake up because when they do wake up they’re going to need support and to be heard. I didn’t receive much “persecution” from my family and friends because they all knew what was going on and knew that they would have most likely completely lost me if they spoke down on the “church” or spoke down on me. They supported me all the way and even bravely attended a few sermon with me wisely not feeding into the propaganda and lies. I was i Zion member for about two years.
One thing i found extremely fishy after leaving was that i noticed people being recruited from the military/army/air-force/marines…. i find that to be a bit creepy after reading about what koreans use to do to Americans during the Korean war. Koreans would use brainwashing techniques with propaganda to turn Americans against their own people during that war.
the-spyFebruary 2, 2013 3:12 AM
Hhello, im a current member of the wmscog. I became aware of all this lies and how nasty the church is. I still go to this church because I have become more like a spy. Im staying-in for the sake of my loved ones. Ive been slowly encouraging my loved ones to grumble against and get bored and letting them make their own choice of wanting not to come back. The best way to leave without being followed is to not let them control you. Say you are working, minimize your activities with them, also showing them as if you are so thankful to father and mother. Just be fake, but care less. Gradually lose your interest and tell them you lost job and its a struggle to come for service… wmscog doesn’t like low class people and they are classified as ghetto people.
Ill remain a spy and im enjoying it. They try to control me, but im just having fun messing up with them.. they talk about satan infiltration to steal information. …. well… im not satan… im an angel
Spy, keep us posted. Awesome way of doing things I might add.
"Tears of a sinner's" post was heart-breaking to read. Those are the type of people I would love to reach out to and talk with. I felt the same way, but thank goodness I was only there for three years. I hope she joins the forums, and that she can soon enjoy her life again.
That's why I named myself Liberty- it's like I am free now.
Liberty wrote:
"Tears of a sinner's" post was heart-breaking to read. Those are the type of people I would love to reach out to and talk with. I felt the same way, but thank goodness I was only there for three years. I hope she joins the forums, and that she can soon enjoy her life again.
That's why I named myself Liberty- it's like I am free now.
So right. Heart-breaking indeed. All the best to her.
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