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This is taken from the site from the church of God examiningthewmscog.co/the-risks-of-examiningthewmscog . This is a comment posted regarding comments posted by a Elie, and a Val. Elie has be debated on this site and then all of a sudden a "Val" post that he is a current member and would like to also know the answer to Elie's question and calls the church of God "Suspecious".
A.J
Posted February 12, 2013 at 12:13 am Permalink
Nice try Elie, we know who is the liar now, to masquerade as a member of the church of God in order to persecute and slander us, this is very malicious and cowardly! Here is the information that “val” used to write his comments you will find that his IP address is the same as Elie’s
Val- email – www_clou***[email protected] –IP Address – 122.54.151.46
Elie – email – eliev****[email protected] –IP Address – 122.54.151.46
">Quote Val “Why don’t you guys just answer Elie’s question? I am a new wmscog member and I would also like to know the answer. I have been trying to ask our deacon the same question but like Sonja, he also doesn’t give a definite answer. If you want us new members to trust you then don’t ask so suspicious.”
Unless both ‘val’ and ‘elie’ just happened to live in the same house or frequented the same starbucks to use their wifi, you can’t have the same IP address. Elie, you are a LIAR! You dare to make believe and “masquerade” as a member of the Church of God so you can make us look bad! This is how members of the Examining use malicious and unscrupolous tactics to defame the church of God. Shame on you Elie!
2 cor 11:14-15:
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Fromtheotherside's comment:
So is this the way you guys present yourselves? Admin, this is a valid post. I would like to know how many of you go about
"masquerading" as wmscog members trying to defame the Church of God? So can even all this testimony or supposed "ex members" be trusted anymore??? Or did you guys just make up all these things? Elie you lied. You lied and made up a fake person trying to make the Church of God look "suspecious" I think this just make all of the stories from supposed ex members come out to be fake. I hope you guys try to stop you cruel dishonest actions. We can now know that the things posted here are all possibly Falsified, madeup stories by the members of this site. None of them can be trusted because of Elie's Lie's. I can't tell the amount of damage you guys create for members of the Church of God, how many families you guys have broken up, and lives you guys are ruining. At the church of God we promote love and family, we help the poor and needy and our members we love to give willingly to the people of this world. Yes we threw away our lives here on earth we threw away anything that is "ours' so we can give it to the people of this world. Maybe some parants or loved ones may want that back but we love to help people and we are sorry we devote our every being to the poor people suffering on this world from droughts and hunger and disasters. But that's what we love to do.
But to turn all our good deeds around and to call us names and make up stories in order to make us look bad, SHAME ON YOU ELIE! You have been caught red handed! You people need know what is selfish truely what is selfish, to live for yourselves, or to serve and to give what you have back to the people of this world, to give you blood and sweat and time, your life to help the people in need. You guys need to wake up and realize that there are more important things in this world than just having fun. It's about making a difference in the world. Whether it be cleaning up a street or helping to rebuild house destroyed by a tornado or flood, or installing water pumps so children in africa and other 3rd world countries can have atleast some comfort. We grew up with so much and we thank our parents for providing it for us, now we want to just give it back to other children to other families, but why do you guys want to stop that? So we can have fun as a family? Even doctors who move to the amazon jungle to help tribes get medical help there rarely see their family but they don't make up stories trying to get their son back home. So you guys need to really look at your actions and realize the pain you are causing to you loved ones, and know if you truely love them you will let them do what they feel is right and what brings them joy!
WMSCOG lies a lot in the name of Father and Mother. "Hello I am Simon from Elohim Academy, have you heard of God the Mother?" "We aren't trying to get you to change your belief"
Whether "Mother" approved those lies I do not know but the fact is WMSCOG members use them
fromtheotherside wrote:
Resha's comment to ellie's post:
Yes, I noticed that they really don’t answer Elie’s question directly. Whether the question is rude or not, you can just answer it but you choose not to. Seems so suspicious.
Is this it? it sound something big to me the way you proclaim about the issue. ,, we are not blind or something . infact she just try to lure you to answer some of her question which you do want to reply or basically you dont know what to reply.
Simon wrote:
WMSCOG lies a lot in the name of Father and Mother. "Hello I am Simon from Elohim Academy, have you heard of God the Mother?" "We aren't trying to get you to change your belief"
Whether "Mother" approved those lies I do not know but the fact is WMSCOG members use them
Simon i used those sentences very frequently while i was in wmscog during preaching, house to house or the streets. i may say thats one basic point which made me suspesious bout them..we were not allow to use the words WMSCOG when introduced to people.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
Sarah, I think that is found in Romans 8:31. ^__^ Romans is one of my favorite books in the bible.
Mpl, what did the wmscog teach you about Zhang? Have you ever ask whether she will physically die or not?
I don't remember this one Elie, what i heard or learned bout Zhang is probably you have heard it too so guess lets just wait the answer from FTO on behalf of wmscog he must got something one way or the other. I do remember though one thing regarding peace on earth is because mother Zhang is still living in Korea …thats the reason.
fromtheotherside wrote:
PI??? No, I was U.S Navy inteligence for 5 years though. I've seen better cover ups then what Elie's pulling here though.
I have got to ask you about this. Perhaps it deserves a separate post. Well see about that. You claim to be U.S. Navy intelligence, havee you discovered the link between high ranking members of the WMSCOG and the Korean CIA? It's especially important to realize the link between him and the members of the KCIA and interogation and mind control studies. If you have not then my next question is what did you research about this group before you decided to give your soul to it? Please don't be hateful with your response I am truly curious.
Great question, Joshua.
Joshua wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
PI??? No, I was U.S Navy inteligence for 5 years though. I've seen better cover ups then what Elie's pulling here though.
I have got to ask you about this. Perhaps it deserves a separate post. Well see about that. You claim to be U.S. Navy intelligence, havee you discovered the link between high ranking members of the WMSCOG and the Korean CIA? It's especially important to realize the link between him and the members of the KCIA and interogation and mind control studies. If you have not then my next question is what did you research about this group before you decided to give your soul to it? Please don't be hateful with your response I am truly curious.
wow! this is getting better..can't wait to hear whats next 🙂
Folks, do me a personal favor and don't use the above post as a way to take pot shots at FTOS. I find myself starting to really care about this individual and I want to see him free not pushed into a corner. Thank you all for understanding.
Ok. No worries.
mpl wrote:
Simon wrote:
WMSCOG lies a lot in the name of Father and Mother. "Hello I am Simon from Elohim Academy, have you heard of God the Mother?" "We aren't trying to get you to change your belief"
Whether "Mother" approved those lies I do not know but the fact is WMSCOG members use them
Simon i used those sentences very frequently while i was in wmscog during preaching, house to house or the streets. i may say thats one basic point which made me suspesious bout them..we were not allow to use the words WMSCOG when introduced to people.
I never said where I was from but never lied either. But people I went with did, and it was a bit annoying but we were never told to so I saw it as their sin not the church. I really dunno
Hi, I don't mean to impose but this is just my impression from this forum. I didn't read all the forums here so correct me if I'm mistaken, but from the few that I did take the time to read, it seems as if everyone here has animosity, which makes me think that the basis for this website might be more emotional than informative. This is only my opinion, I'm not trying to offend anyone.
This all seems a bit juvenile at both sides. As I read through this forum, I myself do feel that if the members of this site do fabricate identities then I now have a hard time believing what is on this site. I'm not taking sides, but this is just my honest opinion. I get the feeling everyone is just protecting elievalkryie, even though she did do something dishonest, to smite theotheside.
this site the examinning is very informative it made me see the true nature of the WMSCOG it also showed me that they dont pay taxes all over the world. their actual motive is money above all i realy did not know father and mother were married and had children ,i also did not know father had established other church before this one, when i questioned abt marriage i was just told it is not important for your salvation and i must proudly say the world got to know what happened in india only through this site thanks ADMIN.
Are you serious!!!!! Lovely k. You sure you have read through this whole site. And the only time you feel the need to get on and make a comment is to prove that if Elie concealed her identity then this site is not credible. Please give me a break. How ludicrous is your statement. You think we log on here for our health???? This site has so many evidence providing the inconsistency and lies of wmscog and the least you have to say is we are taking false sides. Trust and believe if it was a matter of criminal offence she certainly won’t be going down for that. It baffles me when I see comments like yours. We are fighting to avoid people from being mislead and end up losing their souls and you guys are talking about someone using two different online identity to prove her point. She admitted to it and quite frankly, it’s not a big deal. Well welcome to our juvenile ( as you put it we act) discussion forum.
Abhigail Delema wrote:
this site the examinning is very informative it made me see the true nature of the WMSCOG it also showed me that they dont pay taxes all over the world.
are any churches taxed anywhere (or at least anywhere in the first world with freedoms of religion.)
Sarah2013 wrote:
Are you serious!!!!! Lovely k. You sure you have read through this whole site. And the only time you feel the need to get on and make a comment is to prove that if Elie concealed her identity then this site is not credible. Please give me a break. How ludicrous is your statement. You think we log on here for our health???? This site has so many evidence providing the inconsistency and lies of wmscog and the least you have to say is we are taking false sides. Trust and believe if it was a matter of criminal offence she certainly won't be going down for that. It baffles me when I see comments like yours. We are fighting to avoid people from being mislead and end up losing their souls and you guys are talking about someone using two different online identity to prove her point. She admitted to it and quite frankly, it's not a big deal. Well welcome to our juvenile ( as you put it we act) discussion forum.
For the record: This isn't her only comment on this board Sarah nor is it her first.
All churches are tax exempt, they may have to file a 990 form every year but no taxes, if they did America would have no debt.
lovelyK wrote:
Hi, I don't mean to impose but this is just my impression from this forum. I didn't read all the forums here so correct me if I'm mistaken, but from the few that I did take the time to read, it seems as if everyone here has animosity, which makes me think that the basis for this website might be more emotional than informative. This is only my opinion, I'm not trying to offend anyone.
This all seems a bit juvenile at both sides. As I read through this forum, I myself do feel that if the members of this site do fabricate identities then I now have a hard time believing what is on this site. I'm not taking sides, but this is just my honest opinion. I get the feeling everyone is just protecting elievalkryie, even though she did do something dishonest, to smite theotheside.
As I said in reply to another comment, facts are facts and lies are lies, don't take our word for it do your own research or ask us to cite what we say. Form your own opinions, God gave you your mind, it is probably one of the greatest gifts he gave I am sure he wants us to use them always search and never stop seaking truth.
If WMSCOG is true it will only strengthen your faith and if you are deceived it will lead you to the true God who you desire to have a relationship with. Win Win
Jubilee wrote:
All churches are tax exempt, they may have to file a 990 form every year but no taxes, if they did America would have no debt.
Actually if Churches were taxed that would only be 70 million and our debt is almost 16 trillion… also congress would probably just increase spending to compensate
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