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[Originally posted by Adam on August 1, 2011 5:57 PM under No Salvation Through Any Other Name and moved by admin to Forum]
Isa 43:11 says there is no other Savior apart from Jehovah. Joel 2:32 refreshes this fact. Therefor, according to your human logic, we cannot be saved in the name of Jesus. Oh wait, Jesus is the name we are saved by after Jesus came. Hmm John16:24 Jesus says, “Until now you haven’t prayed in my name…” This indicates when Jesus came, the name of the savior changed because people were profaning the name Jehovah. It is the same now. There are people named jesus, and the name is tossed around like trash. Jesus even said he is coming with a new name rev3:12. I am starting to doubt you even went to the church as you haven’t studied savior of each age. Are you sure you just didn’t look online and make up your own opinions?
For ChildOfGod and anyone else who's interested in Ex. 6:3, which says, "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I was not known to them."
This is one of those difficult verses.
I was wondering how the wmscog reconciles that with their doctrine, and also with the record in Genesis, which does in fact use the name Jehovah.
If you don't trust 'Biblical scholars,' ChildOfZion (though you have used 'scholars' to try to prove your own points before… ), you might not like my quote here. But me, I do like verifying my study by checking my conclusions against established Biblical scholarship–that way I can make sure I'm not missing something important.
Here's what "The Big Book of Bible Difficulties" (by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe) says about Ex. 6:3…
This difficulty can be explained in several ways. Some believe it was introduced into Genesis by way of anticipation. Others hold that the full meaning of the name was not known previously, even though it was in use. Or, perhaps some special character of the covenant-keeping God as was indicated by the sacred name "LORD" (Jehovah, Yahweh) was not revealed until Moses' time. Still others think Moses (or a later editor) placed the name in the text of Genesis retrospectively, after it had come into use. This would be like a biographer of the famous boxer referring to the childhood of Muhammad Ali, even though his name was really Cassius Clay at the time. In favor of this is the fact that the common suffix "-ah" (which stands for "Jehovah") attached to names (such as, Mic-ah, Jon-ah, Jeremi-ah) is not generally found in names before Moses' time.
I think the difficulty for the wmscog here is with their boast that they never add to the Word of God but read only what is in the Bible. When you get to a difficult passage like this, in order to come to a satisfactory conclusion, you have to use some assumptions (one way or another) to come to an understanding of it.
Another example of this is the often asked, "Where did Cain get his wife?" The Bible doesn't say exactly, so you have to use the information you have to assume the answer. Some assume that he married a sister or niece, others (such as the wmscog) assume that God created other people besides Adam and Eve, or that Adam and Eve were not the first people on the earth. Either way, you have to assume something, and so far in my experience, wmscog members have been unwilling to admit that.
Thank goodness not everything in the Bible is like this. The Bible is pretty clear about the important stuff regarding salvation.
ChildofZion please find a hebrew friend or look up how Elohim is used in hebrew language. It was followed by a singular verb meaning that who was being spoken of is superior "our IMAGE not IMAGES… Also God only made Adam to start with> He only made EVE because Adam was lonely Genesis 2:18. If you read the Bible In full context you also will find out that the Bride refers to His church for when He talks about wifes and marriage he always gives the PERFECT example of Christ and THE CHURCH Epsesians 5:23,25. He says the Bride as made herself ready. Christ and His church are ready for us. for your right hand man that you think is God said in his book "Visitors from the Angelic World page 55 for your viewing but I am pretty sure you read it Ahnsahnghong says "thus Jesus is the last Adam the redeemed SAINTS(saints are in the church i might add) are the last Eve…"Us humans were never angels we were always human the only person thrown from heaven was Satan and his followers for everyone who reads the Bible knows that Jesus does not redeem angels who follow Satan so if we were angels we would not have the chance for salvation… Unlike angels we have never witnessed the wonders of heaven. For the WMSCOG to fool you in to believing some of the things the do I wonder have most of you ever picked up a Bible just to read on your own for God said study to thys OWN approval. Or do you guys even read Ahnsahnghongs writings? He said in his preface to claim to be the Prophet Elijiah. Elijah was not Chirst by any means. I know that they tell you Ahnsahnghong ascended but he DOES have a grave site and his tomb reads his name Ahn… The Prophet Elijah and also the name of his TWO kids that is a FACT. In his book the "the mystery of God… pg.181 he also says salvation is found in no other name than Jesus Chirst." also in his book problems with new jerusalem, the bride and womens veils" he calls anyone who believes is a mother god is insane and deluisional" now why would your god say that then contradict himself and have you worshiping a mother? ahnsahnghong never said that WMSCOG does… Please shake the chains they have you end for God warned us about Worshiping any but Him (singular) and not to worship idols and to beware of false prohets I believe WMSCOG is creating their false prohets and trying to take Ahnsanhghong with him, you know it is Him when you see the dead walking among the living and the world will endtimes will began immediately after. Please fill free to throw at me any of the things that they are teaching you and I will you the complete and real meaning with the entire text and not just show you what I want you to see Members of WMSCOG and any other members following falsely I love you and I am praying for you every day " Thus
wow
WHOAMI wrote:
wow
Care to elaborate lol?
I was thinking the same wow
INTERESTING!! LIKE HIS WAY OF THOUGHT
I just saw a lot of fallacIes on both sides
dominquem
dominquem wrote:
ChildofZion please find a hebrew friend or look up how Elohim is used in hebrew language. It was followed by a singular verb meaning that who was being spoken of is superior "our IMAGE not IMAGES… Also God only made Adam to start with> He only made EVE because Adam was lonely Genesis 2:18. If you read the Bible In full context you also will find out that the Bride refers to His church for when He talks about wifes and marriage he always gives the PERFECT example of Christ and THE CHURCH Epsesians 5:23,25. He says the Bride as made herself ready. Christ and His church are ready for us. for your right hand man that you think is God said in his book "Visitors from the Angelic World page 55 for your viewing but I am pretty sure you read it Ahnsahnghong says "thus Jesus is the last Adam the redeemed SAINTS(saints are in the church i might add) are the last Eve…"Us humans were never angels we were always human the only person thrown from heaven was Satan and his followers for everyone who reads the Bible knows that Jesus does not redeem angels who follow Satan so if we were angels we would not have the chance for salvation… Unlike angels we have never witnessed the wonders of heaven. For the WMSCOG to fool you in to believing some of the things the do I wonder have most of you ever picked up a Bible just to read on your own for God said study to thys OWN approval. Or do you guys even read Ahnsahnghongs writings? He said in his preface to claim to be the Prophet Elijiah. Elijah was not Chirst by any means. I know that they tell you Ahnsahnghong ascended but he DOES have a grave site and his tomb reads his name Ahn… The Prophet Elijah and also the name of his TWO kids that is a FACT. In his book the "the mystery of God… pg.181 he also says salvation is found in no other name than Jesus Chirst." also in his book problems with new jerusalem, the bride and womens veils" he calls anyone who believes is a mother god is insane and deluisional" now why would your god say that then contradict himself and have you worshiping a mother? ahnsahnghong never said that WMSCOG does… Please shake the chains they have you end for God warned us about Worshiping any but Him (singular) and not to worship idols and to beware of false prohets I believe WMSCOG is creating their false prohets and trying to take Ahnsanhghong with him, you know it is Him when you see the dead walking among the living and the world will endtimes will began immediately after. Please fill free to throw at me any of the things that they are teaching you and I will you the complete and real meaning with the entire text and not just show you what I want you to see Members of WMSCOG and any other members following falsely I love you and I am praying for you every day " Thus
I have lood up the word word Elohim, it means Gods. Plural. I have asked seminary students what Elohim means, they always say it means the Trinity (which i believe is incorrect).
You say God made eve b/c Adam was lonely…. Why didnt God make another man then? They could of had fun, palyed sports and gone hunting together. Would have solved his lonliness problem. Adam wouldnt have been lonely. I dont agree with your comment, "He only made EVE because Adam was lonely Genesis 2:18" Your point here is actually stupid. He made eve to create life. Even Her name means life.
So the bride is always the church and can never not be the church? That's like saying the lamb is Christ and always christ. Thats like saying the son of man is Christ and always christ. Jesus=Lamb, Children of God=Lamb (feed my lambs Jesus told Peter). Son of Man=Jesus, Child of God=Son of Man (read ezekiel 2 and so many other places). Saying the Bride is the Church in the bible is to use false logic. It s like saying the temple of God is Jesus, always. Jesus said destroy this temple and I'll raise it up in three days, speaking of his body. Dont you know that you yourself are God's temple? Temple=God Temple=Child of God. Are you Jesus????? No you are not. You do use false logic to make your point though. The Bride is NOT ALWAYS the church.
And you do not believe in Christ Ahnsahnghong, so please do not try to tell me what He taught. As you are not His student, you do not really know. Yes Jesus is the last adam and the saints are the last eve, ok so what's your point? But then again, you think words can have only one meaning?? Read the before paragraph one more time. Please dont try to use His books. You have no understanding of His books.
I have been freed from all the chains I once carried around in this world.. Now I truly believe in Jesus. Jesus is God. Jesus came a second time to save me and you.
According to Joel 2:32, you must call on the Name Jehovah to be saved, not another name. There is No other savior other than jehovah (isa 43:11) Jehovah is the only savior, His name is the name of the savior. There is no other savior or name to be saved by, according to the scriptures.
According to Pual and Peter you must call on the Name Jesus to be saved, not Jehovah. If I was like you, I would say that this is a lie and a Paul and Peter are flaseprophets b/c the bible says differently than what they preached.
You cannot say we don’t know.his.books I’ve read all.of them numerous times and believed all of them and to an extent still do.
yea me too. I think there is a lot of truth to ahns teachings I just think that the key to solving the mistery is when both churches split. because when I look at some of his teachings they look good and worshiping one true god. but then some times when I read something about mother it just does not add up to the full dollar, it always adds up to 66 cents if you get my drift lol
God IS Yehovah
king34 wrote:
dominquem
Yeah it seems that this person has a lot of strong feelings about the wms. I don't blame dominquem though. So do I. It's hard to lose valuable time in my life but the worst thing was losing my family member to these liars.
Emily wrote:
Yeah it seems that this person has a lot of strong feelings about the wms. I don't blame dominquem though. So do I. It's hard to lose valuable time in my life but the worst thing was losing my family member to these liars.
Or parents losing their children.
Sueno Maruyama wrote:
Emily wrote:
Yeah it seems that this person has a lot of strong feelings about the wms. I don't blame dominquem though. So do I. It's hard to lose valuable time in my life but the worst thing was losing my family member to these liars.
Or parents losing their children.
Exactly.
king34 wrote:
yea me too. I think there is a lot of truth to ahns teachings I just think that the key to solving the mistery is when both churches split.
And the impact of Big Shine Worldwide, Inc.
Yes really God is Yehovah Torah says so the naviim say so the ketuvim say so.
Yes and yud he vav he is pronounced Yehovah
No that is untrue. Yahweh is not only a linguisticly IMPOSSIBLE pronounciation, Rabbanim don't bat an eye when you say Yahweh, they do however get indignant when you say Yehovah saying the name is too Holy to be uttered by anyone not High Priest and How Dare I blaspheme God by using his true and holy ineffible name
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