Wikipedia as a reference source

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  • #7399
    Disturbed
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    While still a member I questioned another member about Wikipedia being used as a source of reference (in the evidence book). The answer I was given was, "If father said that's the answer then that is the answer." The reason why I brought it up was because my college professor told me to NEVER use Wikipedia as a source of reference because anyone has the ability to edit it. So in order for the WMSCOG to have any credibility with the world, they need better "sources" than Wikipedia. Also we can see by looking at the View History tab on the WMSCOG Wikipedia page that many people have edited it. So again…the Wikipedia page is not a good source to use as reference because ANYONE can edit without taking into consideration if the information is accurate or made up. It is not peer reviewed by any experts. The majority of where the information on this page comes from WATV, which is the church's own website. 

    To confirm that statement, this is what I found on Wikipedia directly:

    Welcome to Wikipedia,

    the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

    4,259,306 articles in English 

  • #63015

    Smurf
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    The page has changed a lot over the last year. There's not even a hint that the WMS can be involved in some shady stuff.

    But even if we get to edit it permanently it still isn't a big accomplishment since it's… you know, Wikipedia.

    And it will be a reliable source as long as the members have the last word.

    Pretty convenient, I would say.

    #63016

    144000
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    Hey disturbed? I though you said you were an ex member with truth books and sermon book and who saw the evidence book and that you know all theese studies…

    How come then you are neglecting to mention that the evidence book uses photos, and articles copied directly from source?

    I bet it is easy for you to pick on wikipedia, I bet it is convenient for you to tell only half of the story like you always do.

    The evidence book contains transcripts from letters, non-wikipedia encyclopedic data, archeological notes, and direct source proof. In addition credible and properly sourced wikipedia articles may also be included, because you’s have to be pretty slow in the head to willfully ignore verified source, which it is where we include it.

    Thanks for misrepresenting the whole truth, now people can see your pattern of it.

    #63017

    Disturbed
    Participant

    The point of this thread 144 is that Wikipedia is not a credible source. You can go through the evidence book page by page and reference the sources if that’s how you choose to spend your time.

    #63018

    Disturbed
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    And as you know….I didn’t just “see” the evidence book, I “have” the old and new versions of the evidence book.

    #63019

    MountainMom
    Participant

    @144,000:  When I first started researching on the wms my son (a member) asked my source for my information.  I said one was Wikipedia.  He scoffed and said Wikipedia wasn't reliable so I shouldn't use it as a source of info.  So are you guys not together on this one?  Have you not made up your minds or what?  You keep changing things.

    #63020

    Disturbed
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    @MountainMom…since you told them Wikipedia was your source they’ve been working day and night to make sure it says what they claim their history is. Any time a person has tried to correct the falsehoods, they immediately change it to the church’s stance. Like I said the main source they use to update Wikipedia is WATV. They throw in some news articles for good measure but the MAIN source is WATV. I guess WATV is to make Wikipedia credible?

    #63021

    MountainMom
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    Wow, some of them are busy little bees aren't they?  Dogging people all over the internet, trying to cover up.  it must be exhausting.

    #63022

    Disturbed
    Participant

    They take shifts LOL. They’ve got people in S Korea working one shift and then people in America working the opposite shift.

    #63023

    Simon
    Participant

    Wikipedia is actually reliable when there is information on a topic wmscog is just an example where without reliable sources it can never be accurate and cited

    But then there’s people like Nancy the girl who pretends not to be a member so her edits can appear unbiased

    #63024

    Disturbed
    Participant

    There’s nothing more convenient than Wikipedia if you’re looking for some quick information, and when the stakes are low (you need a piece of information to settle a bet with your roommate, or you want to get a basic sense of what something means before starting more in-depth research), you may get what you need from Wikipedia. In fact, some instructors may advise their students to read entries for scientific concepts on Wikipedia as a way to begin understanding those concepts.

    Nevertheless, when you’re doing academic research, you should be extremely cautious about using Wikipedia. As its own disclaimer states, information on Wikipedia is contributed by anyone who wants to post material, and the expertise of the posters is not taken into consideration. Users may be reading information that is outdated or that has been posted by someone who is not an expert in the field or by someone who wishes to provide misinformation. (Case in point: Four years ago, an Expos student who was writing a paper about the limitations of Wikipedia posted a fictional entry for himself, stating that he was the mayor of a small town in China. Four years later, if you type in his name, or if you do a subject search on Wikipedia for mayors of towns in China, you will still find this fictional entry.) Some information on Wikipedia may well be accurate, but because experts do not review the site’s entries, there is a considerable risk in relying on this source for your essays.

    The fact that Wikipedia is not a reliable source for academic research doesn’t mean that it’s wrong to use basic reference materials when you’re trying to familiarize yourself with a topic. In fact, the library is stocked with introductory materials, and the Harvard librarians can point you to specialized encyclopedias in different fields. These sources can be particularly useful when you need background information or context for a topic you’re writing about.

    http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k70847&pageid=icb.page346376

    #63025

    Disturbed
    Participant

    One of the first pieces of advice given to me as an online writer was never to use Wikipedia as a source or reference. That site doesn’t have strong credibility since it’s user-edited and just about anyone can insert false information onto its pages. Yet there are still plenty of articles on this and other sites that do cite Wikipedia as a reference.

    Using Wikipedia as a reference could potentially call into question a writer’s professionalism. And if you’re a student, it could cause your professor to lower your grade or fail you, since many schools and universities are banning use of the website as a resource.

    http://voices.yahoo.com/why-not-wikipedia-as-source-7302224.html?cat=4

    #63026

    Simon
    Participant

    My school explicitly allows Wikipedia and technically you shouldn’t use any encyclopaedia for writing really anyways

    http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html

    Also that’s a tagline not a disclaimer

    #63027

    Disturbed
    Participant

    Its ok if you're looking up something quick. To use it in the academic world and/or as basis to back up your point…not so good. Do you know the backgrounds of the people editing a topic on Wikipedia? No. Are they experts at whatever they're editing? Who knows. At least if you cite published work then your writing has credibility behind it.

    #63028

    Simon
    Participant

    As I said you really aren’t supposed to cite encyclopaedias at all

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