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- February 11, 2013 at 6:57 AM#7121gennyParticipant
In another thread, fromtheotherside, speaking of the materials presented againt the wmscog, said "none of your evidences speak for itself. if you have such evidence present it without your explanation."
I presented several 'evidences without explanation' there, but I think it would be a good idea to take each one separately into its own thread. Here's the second one:
Regarding the feasts that are to be kept in the 7th month: Several years the WMSCOG kept them in the 8th month. This is a fact established by the calendar and the record of feast dates.
I originally did not link to my research about it, because fromtheotherside did not want explanation, but if you'd like to see the research, I've collected it here:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1MsoweMAuX9TFiNpzg6Oi2d1CERWFyrqwHp183-H_G9U
There was no discussion about this point on the previous thread, but it's definitely open for discussion here.
- January 8, 2014 at 3:05 AM #53158
MountainMomParticipantHe won't answer. He is too concerned about the tithing thread. Priorities, you know.
January 11, 2014 at 1:31 AM #53159
Love'n HoneyParticipantThere is no light left in him.
August 29, 2014 at 5:52 AM #53160
SimonParticipantI wonder if they will do the same mistake this year
August 30, 2014 at 5:23 AM #53161
What is truthParticipantgenny wrote:
Time wrote:
It has to do with the Lunar leap year.
http://avoiceinthewilderness.org/saccal/passlate.html
Genny you are very interested read the article above, but I don't think it makes a difference for you since you don't keep te feasts anyways. :0)
The leap month was added at the end of the calendar. When there is a leap year, the leap month is the 12th month. The 12th month is named Adar. When there is a leap year, you have Adar I and Adar II. Adar I is the leap month, and Adar II is the regular month in which Purim is celebrated. It shifts the 1st month, the beginning of the year, to start a month later, but the 7th month is still the seventh month counting from the first month.
You do not add the leap month as a double fourth month (like the Asian Lunar Calendar) or with the second month (like the leap day of Feb. 29 in western calendars). It must be added after the 7th month or the 7th month becomes the 8th month, and God said the feasts were to be in the 7th month. He didn't say that they should be "in the 7th month unless it's a leap year then they are to be held in the 8th month." Leap years are common enough that He would have said so if that were the case.
So the leap year idea fails to explain this problem.
I appreciate your attempt, Time, but please try again. This problem is still unresolved.
Again I notice this starnge effect……. Whenever a debate cannot be won by the wmscog, we hear only crickets from them?? "When light shines into darkness, the darkness will vanish"!!!!
January 8, 2016 at 4:08 AM #53162
gennyParticipantBumping up this post because I have a calendar related question…
I'm looking for a wmscog calendar for this year for the feast dates. Anyone have access and can share? You can PM me if you don't want to share publically.
Thanks!
January 8, 2016 at 9:36 PM #53163
Mayor and MikeParticipantSo the WMS pushed back the last feasts to the eighth month in 2013? Is that right? I’ll have to look at that again and check my old feast schedule.
January 8, 2016 at 9:41 PM #53164
gennyParticipantIt happened in 2005, 2008, 2010, and 2013.
January 8, 2016 at 10:10 PM #53165
Mayor and MikeParticipantIs that right? I hadn’t even noticed. I just followed the group like an innocent sheep. And how many times have they kept the passover on the wrong day, the 15th day of nisan? One or twice that I noticed.
January 8, 2016 at 10:38 PM #53166
gennyParticipantNever mind if they got the Passover day wrong or not. Even going by the day they picked, they counted wrong to the 7th month feasts. Here's the link to the details again, for anyone who needs it:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1MsoweMAuX9TFiNpzg6Oi2d1CERWFyrqwHp183-H_G9U
January 9, 2016 at 3:19 PM #53167
Mayor and MikeParticipantThe passover is the first feast and the biggest day in the WMS. But let’s not discuss it. I know you are looking for the last feasts dates. I’m curious though. I should go and find out what their schedule is for this year.
January 9, 2016 at 3:31 PM #53168
gennyParticipantYes that’s what I’d like to know–the schedule/calendar for this year. We could always discuss Passover itself in another thread.
January 11, 2016 at 9:34 AM #53169
Kai TIngParticipantSince this thread recently had new comments…I just want to say that the feast dates were the trigger point for me leaving the wmscog, and I am really really happy and appreciative about the great work you had done on this topic. Thanks again!
January 11, 2016 at 2:28 PM #53170
UntouchableJParticipant@kai. Can you elaborate on how the feast dates where a trigger?
April 8, 2016 at 4:47 PM #53171
gennyParticipantBump. Here it is again–evidence about the wrong feast dates.
April 8, 2016 at 5:27 PM #53172
jw03550ParticipantKai TIng wrote:
Since this thread recently had new comments…I just want to say that the feast dates were the trigger point for me leaving the wmscog, and I am really really happy and appreciative about the great work you had done on this topic. Thanks again!
KT-did you have any initial doubts that questioning this (Passover) was Satan's work?
April 8, 2016 at 7:38 PM #53173
Brian TaylorParticipantjw03550 wrote:
Kai TIng wrote:
Since this thread recently had new comments…I just want to say that the feast dates were the trigger point for me leaving the wmscog, and I am really really happy and appreciative about the great work you had done on this topic. Thanks again!
KT-did you have any initial doubts that questioning this (Passover) was Satan's work?
2+2=4. Heavenly Mother said it equals 5, therefore we must believe the latter.
April 8, 2016 at 8:24 PM #53174
Mayor and MikeParticipantWhere is Luke Skywalker? And where is Kai Ting?
April 8, 2016 at 8:25 PM #53175
Mayor and MikeParticipantExile?
June 22, 2017 at 5:55 PM #53176
gennyParticipantDoes anyone still have their calendar of feast dates from last year, 2016?
If so, please email or PM me. Thanks!
December 19, 2018 at 3:56 PM #74517
charcoa1ParticipantIn my research, I’ve discovered that the WMSCOG bases the spring feasts around the first full moon after spring equinox and the fall feasts around the first full moon after the autumn equinox. This is why in some years the fall feasts are on the eighth month and not the seventh.
For full moon dates: https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SKYCAL/SKYCAL.html
(1 or 2 day differences neglected. Also some feast dates are not given because the WMSCOG did not record them)
2018
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: March 31st
Passover: March 30th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=50505&page=2&menu=I
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: September 24th
Tabernacles: September 24th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=51744&menu=i
2017
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 11th
Passover: April 10th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=48714&page=4&menu=I
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 5th
Tabernacles: October 5th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=49131&menu=i
2016
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: March 23rd
Passover: March 22nd http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=41298
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 16th
Tabernacles: October 16th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=45056&menu=i
2015
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 4th
Passover: April 3rd http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=37206
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: September 27th
Tabernacles: September 28th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=38364&menu=i
2014
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 15th
Passover: April 13th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=15598
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 8th
Tabernacles: October 8th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=35542&menu=i
2013
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: March 27th
Passover: March 25th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=15598
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 18th
Tabernacles: October 19th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=22765&menu=i
2012
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 6th
Passover: April 5th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=1698
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: September 29th
Tabernacles: September 30th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=12138&menu=i
2011
Full Moon after Spring Equinox:
Passover:
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 11th
Tabernacles: October 11th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=1037&menu=i
2010
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: March 29th
Passover: March 29th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=860
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: September 23rd
Tabernacles: October 22nd (2nd full moon after equinox) http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=949&menu=i
2009
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 9th
Passover: April 9th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=756
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 4th
Tabernacles: October 4th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=841&menu=i
2008
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: March 21st
Passover: March 21st http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=788
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 14th
Tabernacles: October 14th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=748&menu=i
2007
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 2nd
Passover: April 2nd http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=768
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: September 26th
Tabernacles: September 26th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=778&menu=i
2006
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 13th
Passover: April 12th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=484
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox:
Tabernacles:
2005
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: March 25th
Passover: March 24th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=362
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 17th
Tabernacles: October 17th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=433&menu=i
2004
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 5th
Passover: April 5th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=234
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: September 28th
Tabernacles: September 30th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=313&menu=i
2003
Full Moon after Spring Equinox: April 16th
Passover: April 16th http://english.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=143
Full Moon after Autumn Equinox: October 10th
Tabernacles: October 11th http://usa.watv.org/news/content.asp?idx=199&menu=iFor some reason, Tabernacles 2010 is on the second full moon after the autumn equinox. This might be because the first full moon is only a day after the equinox. This is the only exception to the rule.
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