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This comment was originally made by WMS brother on 1988 End of the World Flyer, and has been moved here for further discussion:
WMS brother says:
There is a difference between a false prophet, and the mercy of God. Here is the story of Jonah, which you referred to, but did not explain:
Jonah 3:4 "… "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.""
Jonah 3:10 "When God saw … how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened."
Jonah 4:1 "But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry"
Jonah 4:4 "But the Lord replied, “Is it right for you to be angry?”
Jonah 4:10-11 "… the Lord said … I … have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people”
*I encourage reading the entire story to understand the full context of God’s mercy. I have only posted the verses I think are most relevant, please consult the full version.
There are other examples of other kingdoms whom God promised to destroy, too, but they were spared.
Like Jonah, I once also said that it is wrong for God, or any prophet, to proclaim something, and then not deliver on that promise.
I was angry to listen to liars, and we are also humiliated when what we say does not come true.
But there is a difference between the prophet who is false because what he says does not come true, and the prophet who repeats the already true word of God whom then decides to show mercy.
Prophets who are false use a made up story. This relies on God acting to prove the legitimacy of the prophet. The biblical examples also have ungodly agendas such as introducing paganism, or changing the law.
True prophets repeat the word of God verbatim. This does not rely on God acting to prove the legitimacy of the prophet, because the prophet is -already- doing everything correctly -prior- to the prophecy. Biblical examples show righteous agendas such as speaking up against pagan customs and lamenting over how the law has been changed.
In conclusion, God showing mercy is his providence.
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I used to be a pagan. Now it is my great joy to follow the guidance of Jesus Christ, who has a new name just as he promised. I came for the education, I stayed because of faith. I would not take such mercy for granted after he so gracefully delayed our destruction, which was in fact prophesied.
No one should ever apologize for repeating the words of God, even if the whole world hates them. Even if everyone in the whole world worships the beast.
Don’t you know where it is written, that both of these things are true?
I cannot comment on how the COG interprets Jonah because I haven't had the study. Shimon, have you studied this subject with a member?
I cannot comment on how the COG interprets Jonah because I haven't had the study. Shimon, have you studied this subject with a member?
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
You are not on the official count if you have not started or stop attending four services a month
Ok, but it's still a fraction of a percent. Would you conclude that a massive repentance and revival happened in South Korea in 1988 from the figures?
This reminds me of the failed prophecy of this group here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
We don't know what % of Nineveh repented either.
renita.payno wrote:
I cannot comment on how the COG interprets Jonah because I haven't had the study. Shimon, have you studied this subject with a member?
No I have not We have studdied from Jonah but never in connection to 1988
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
You are not on the official count if you have not started or stop attending four services a month
Ok, but it's still a fraction of a percent. Would you conclude that a massive repentance and revival happened in South Korea in 1988 from the figures?
This reminds me of the failed prophecy of this group here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
We don't know what % of Nineveh repented either.
renita.payno wrote:
I cannot comment on how the COG interprets Jonah because I haven't had the study. Shimon, have you studied this subject with a member?
No I have not We have studdied from Jonah but never in connection to 1988
I have never gone into the book of Jonah…..
I have never gone into the book of Jonah…..
It is pretty short if you just want to read it.
It is pretty short if you just want to read it.
I don't like reading the bible because I'm afraid of coming up with my own interpretations. Since realizing that pretty much the entire OT is a book of prophecy, I'd rather not look into it without being taught the fulfillment. I'll read the NT but not the OT.
I don't like reading the bible because I'm afraid of coming up with my own interpretations. Since realizing that pretty much the entire OT is a book of prophecy, I'd rather not look into it without being taught the fulfillment. I'll read the NT but not the OT.
fair enough
fair enough
renita.payno wrote:
I don't like reading the bible because I'm afraid of coming up with my own interpretations. Since realizing that pretty much the entire OT is a book of prophecy, I'd rather not look into it without being taught the fulfillment. I'll read the NT but not the OT.
Renita, don't be afraid to read the Bible. God gave it to us, to you. If you don't read it for yourself, how will you be able to tell if someone is telling you falsely about it? Why would He give it to you if He didn't want you to read it for yourself.
How do you know that the 'fulfillment' you are taught (from the wmscog or whomever) isn't a misinterpretation? And anyone who tells you not to read the Bible yourself should raise your suspicions.
If you are worried, then pray first that God will help you as you read it.
Jonah is only 4 chapters, about 2 pages. It won't take long.
renita.payno wrote:
I don't like reading the bible because I'm afraid of coming up with my own interpretations. Since realizing that pretty much the entire OT is a book of prophecy, I'd rather not look into it without being taught the fulfillment. I'll read the NT but not the OT.
Renita, don't be afraid to read the Bible. God gave it to us, to you. If you don't read it for yourself, how will you be able to tell if someone is telling you falsely about it? Why would He give it to you if He didn't want you to read it for yourself.
How do you know that the 'fulfillment' you are taught (from the wmscog or whomever) isn't a misinterpretation? And anyone who tells you not to read the Bible yourself should raise your suspicions.
If you are worried, then pray first that God will help you as you read it.
Jonah is only 4 chapters, about 2 pages. It won't take long.
Now.its my turn, to agree with Genny.
Now.its my turn, to agree with Genny.
Thanks shimon ๐
shimon wrote:
We don't know what % of Nineveh repented either.
No, we don't know the %, but we do know it must have been a lot because of this verse,
Jonah 3:5
"The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth."
Thanks shimon ๐
shimon wrote:
We don't know what % of Nineveh repented either.
No, we don't know the %, but we do know it must have been a lot because of this verse,
Jonah 3:5
"The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth."
You can tell because Scripture won't make sense. Especially since the COG uses other verses to explain a verse. But what I found interesting is it's only the COG who has taught me any fulfillment. For the many years I have been in the church (I'm what "my people" call a pew baby) it was never explained through any sermon why we believe Jesus is God in the flesh. It wasn't until I started studying at the COG that I saw through Scripture Jesus must be God. Right now, even though I have concerns, they have the most credibility*. Some of what they are saying might not make sense but a vast majority of what many other people teach don't make sense either. Even the Eunich* needed someone to explain the Scripture to him.
You can tell because Scripture won't make sense. Especially since the COG uses other verses to explain a verse. But what I found interesting is it's only the COG who has taught me any fulfillment. For the many years I have been in the church (I'm what "my people" call a pew baby) it was never explained through any sermon why we believe Jesus is God in the flesh. It wasn't until I started studying at the COG that I saw through Scripture Jesus must be God. Right now, even though I have concerns, they have the most credibility*. Some of what they are saying might not make sense but a vast majority of what many other people teach don't make sense either. Even the Eunich* needed someone to explain the Scripture to him.
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