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This is a last resort…i am forced to use their own founder’s text though i believe he’s the #1 false prophet. They trust Sahng…ok… Then WMS members, believe what Sahng actually wrote. In the forbidden book about the woman’s veil, the new Jerusalem and the bride which Sahng published… (The reason you are not allowed to read it is because it says Gil is not God or Mother-sahng wrote the wife of Jesus was NOT spiritual Sarah (Jerusalem) or Mother. To preface-no, don’t believe something because a false prophet says it (there is no bigger false prophet than ahnsahnghong, and he also didn’t prove this-he simply said it). Sahng wrote in that veil book “spiritual Sarah cannot be both the spiritual mother and wife of Jesus.” He also wrote in the book “spiritual Sarah IS the spiritual Mother of Jesus.” Sahng emphatically said Isaac was Jesus Christ, the seed referred to in Galatians. I’ll admit Isaac was Jesus-I’m pretty sure about it. (Other churches say Isaac was Jesus also). This is to get WMS members out only. (Please don’t believe something because a false prophet said it). But WMS members-Gil will not let you read that veil book because it explicitly says Jesus’ wife is not God or Mother. Sahng directly said “the idea of Jerusalem, spiritual Sarah being both the wife of Jesus and the Mother of Jesus is scandalous/absurd,” but Sahng did say “spiritual Sarah is the spiritual Mother of Jesus Christ (Isaac).” Final resort: Sahng wrote about it in the Law of Moses, law of Christ book too… Describing it as “the woman in revelation 12 who bore the child snatched up to God’s throne will bear the remnant in the last days.” Sahng then said “as Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, so will the remnant be born of the Holy Spirit.” Sahng interpreted the child snatched up to God’s throne as being Jesus in the same passage… For the rest of the world: don’t believe what a false prophet says-sahng wrote there was no Father-he was athiest-don’t listen to him. For WMS members-if you’re gonna trust one of them, trust Sahng not Gil. (However i have told you over and over that ahnsahnghong was the Antichrist not the true Christ. Ahnsahnghong was not Jesus Christ-ahnsahnghong was the #1 false prophet. However members-go ahead and believe Sahng over Gil. Believe what he wrote! Sahng said Jesus’ wife is not Mother or God. That is true! Even if Jesus had a wife, she is not Mother or God! Pick the lesser of the 2 evils-you can’t believe in Gil without believing in sahng. Then believe what Sahng wrote! Sahng wrote “Jesus’ wife cannot be God or Mother.” You need to understand Sahng was sent to earth to trick Joo and Gil into revealing themselves as false prophets. Yeah sahng took the wedding picture with Zahng Gil Jah. He also made sure to write “Gil is not Mother or God.” Gil won’t let you read this book because if you studied it, then you would know she’s lying. Zahng Gil Jah really WANTS to be God-she WANTS to be worshipped and idolized. I repeat-don’t trust ahnsahnghong, he was the biggest FALSE prophet and liar to walk the planet… However WMS members-see that Zahng Gil Jah is lying and get out of WMS!
Anon sounds like he’s ranting and venting. There’s no point keeping all the tension bottled up. Some of these “pathways” need to be re-routed. Satan did not come in 1914. He was already here since the beginning of creation for example.
I hope you feel better getting it all out Anon. Then you can be calm, and cool like me.
@Mountain mom: Mikey mayor? Lol. Mayor and Mike are the Bros I hang with btw. I’ll be stuck in central with Mayor and Mike tomorrow. They want to go shopping and get new shoes. They are my crew. Lol.
@Untouchable: hahaha. So Grandma for prez then? Maybe she’ll run a tight ship.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to turn this into a political post. That being said I’m going to make my view of things a little clearer. My friend Brian stated that he’s for Johnson and if I honestly thought that he had enough pull in Washington DC to get things done I would rather vote for him. As far as guns go, it’s been proven repeatedly over the years and on several continents that when guns are taken away from the population crime goes up. For an example of this you only need to look at Chicago. They have some of the highest, and hardest gun control laws followed by one of the worst crime rates. Constitutionally, our second amendment was designed to give us the right and ability to protect ourselves and others. It also gives us the right to stand up to the government if needs be. I have no intention of doing either of these things however, I will keep my guns for the off chance that I may have to defend myself or others. I will even defend those folks that don’t like guns unless they tell me not to. I will respect their wishes. As I choose to respect others wishes I expected my wishes to be respected as well. Guns are not the problem, people’s lack of respect and the lack of respect for life is! This is the only time I will post about this unless I start really getting a lot of flak and disrespected.
I don’t mind changing the topic and discussing something else for a change.
Lets address the question Travis posted. I personally, can prove it through testimony. Before we get there, Are you a current member? And please, a “Yes or No” answer. There have been members in thr forum, wether sent by leadership, or they came on their own..I personally think they are only here because of Doubts, or Stirring confrintation.
When I was a member, I never understood the church Logic of being Sooo defensive toward the Worlds perception. The truth, should be solid. Im reading a book called, “No more Mr. Nice Guy”. The author makes a valid point (even though its a relationshio book) that surpressing one’s thoughts and feelings, forces a person into a position of lying, deceitfulness, etc. I remember members feeling hurt by something the Overseer did and just ignoring it, saying “Thats who mother sent”. Or, when 2012 NOT being the end….many of us pretending that all the references about it coming were just a mistake. Back to the book reference. Hiding things, causes repression and other issues, because WMS are reaching for a level of perfection, that is NEVER clearly defined, no obtainable.
No member, past or present can say they have “ever” felt they were reaching the mark, or were going to heaven. Period. We were always kept reaching for a mark thats unobtainable. If it were simply about the feasts, sabbath…I would have been Good. I probably missed 3-4 services in 4 years , lol. But,even when there it was “You have to have the right mind”, and “Your not worshipping in Spirit and Truth if your thinking about anything other than Father & Mother”. Thats beyond unrealistic. My mother is a widow. So if she came accross my mind, or Im concerned for her on Saturday, Im sinning? No.
Cont….Wms has a skewed view of even its own ability to reference the nature of God. Jesus was able to operate with his emotions. He wept for his friend Lazarus etc. Some things should not be repressed etc. While at WMS, there was a member who’s mother died. The mother had gottenr baptized, but never kept services. The member didn’t go to her Moms funeral….I will let that sit in. My aunt passed while I was there. I went to the funeral. Im sure nobody understood. One of my Frat brothers died. I went. Maybe thats when I began to see it more clearly.
Do you remember what Kim, the chief pastor of the wmscog said about how one thought can stop you from going to heaven? I can’t remember the exact words he used to express that.
He believed just one thought can stop you from being saved.
Also, by repressing your feelings and acting deceitfully by making appearances continually, are you not just making yourself subject to the control of the church? And by being completely controlled by someone in church leadership, are you not just causing yourself to be mentally, emotionally, and spiritually unhealthy? With that said, there is still a place and time to express yourself.
I remember that Mayor. Its one thing to be distracted during a worship service…but to spend a WHOLE day, where you are led to believe its wrong to think about ANYTHING other than God….yikes. You can’t worry about your sick baby. You can’t worry about the money you DON’T have to catch a bus home. And if these thoughts consume you, and you break down and speak to your Overseer about your concerns..then it becomes, “Oh..dat different, Mudder know ya heart bredder. She see how much you sacrifice.” These are two conflicting messages that build up, then constantly break down the member
@ Untouchable, sounds like you are saying that being a member is a burden. I understand that some sacrifice is required with any job or church group, but the expectations in this church is too much, 4 services a week plus all the extra meetings and the doctrine that tells you, you won’t make to heaven. You’ll hit a mid life crisis at the end of your 20s.
@anon, I’m with Heinrich. Whatever you need to do to slay the beast, do it.
I don’t get it. You say you are “American lololol” but you sound like you are Korean.
But have we answered the previous question? Is the wms a scam, or it is not a scam?
You know what’s funny Anon, you say “you obviously don’t endorse wms teachings”, but this whole time you’ve been giving us wms beliefs and doctrine. That is funny. So you have been studying the “female image of God” long before the wms preached to you? Right, uh huh, that’s it.
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